I'm here with Anders Wallgren. Anders is the CTO of Electric Cloud. Electric Cloud builds solutions for continuous delivery. Thanks for joining us, Anders. My pleasure. Let's talk about getting started with continuous delivery. What is literally is the very first thing you would recommend an organization does, if they want to invest in this generally? What we typically do is start with, let's figure out what the current process is, end-to-end, from code commit all the way through to delivery at the software to the end user, and get whoever that involves into a room with a large whiteboard, and figure out what the process is. Diagram it out from end-to-end, including what happens automatically, what requires approvals, where are their manual stages, where the complicated things, where are the simple things, all of those kinds of things, and really get to know the process end-to-end with all the right people in the room. Once you do that, you can then start to look at, and globally optimize the process. Look at, where are the pin points? Where are the errors introduced? Where do we waste a lot of time? You can start to figure out how to measure improvements in those things, and figure out how to affect improvements on those things. That's really where it starts. In that sense, it's a process optimization problem. Is really what it comes down to. Do you recommend you work from the beginning, and then go to production, or you do work backwards? How do you figure out where to start investing time, infrastructure changes, process improvements, whatever is going to work? I think given how important it is to the overall success of these kinds of projects, you'll want to look heavily at how you do testing. If you're doing lots of manual testing, you're going to want to investigate, and figure out how to automate that. If you're doing the wrong testing for example. What people say generally about testing is, you want to have way more unit tests, than you have integration tests, than you have system tests, and have that [inaudible] of testing. So you want to make sure that you're fairly well aligned there. Or put it a different way, don't worry about continuous delivery, if you don't have any unit test over, and you're doing exclusively manual testing. You've got bigger problems than getting to the point where you can optimize your processes with continuous delivery. You have to look at look at those issues first and get a culture of testing. Now, that can be part of the overall reach for continuous delivery. But that's certainly one of the places where I would start to look. Because if you don't have testing under control a bit, then doing the continuous delivery will be a frustrating exercise. It's obviously a lot of work, especially if you're starting from a place where you don't have a lot of this. What are some of the earliest rewards that teams will see? What are the bright points of doing this, the things that the team is going to enjoy? You really want to focus on what is that pebble in everybody's shoe, that everybody's been walking around with last couple months, and maybe make some quick improvements and really get some results very quickly. But I think you also want to have your eye on the price, and realize that this is a transformation. This is really going to change the way that people work together, and how they operate day-to-day, and have a plan for how you want to get there. You don't want it to be an agile plan, you don't want to have everything planned out to every five-minute interval for making your process transformation. You want to be agile about your agility. But you definitely want to have a little bit about the focus on the fact that this is not something that you do in a week. You don't leave on Friday and come back Monday, and all of a sudden there's continuous delivery. This requires making mistakes, this requires trying out new things, and those types of things, and that will take time. That's some great advice and great perspective on getting started with continuous delivery. Thanks, Anders. You're welcome.